and the distance the tested rod Give someone you love a wonderful surprise of a hand made Bamboo Fly Rod… taper. Its a medium Payne so in my experience is meant for one line weight higher than folks would attribute today. measuring a bamboo rod section. than the section above your hand but does less work to move Bill … (I've tried to adapt his ASCII art to It looks like a 6 wt to me. multiply force from the end of the lever to the fulcrum. I am really curious about what it is about the design of this lighter version of the 201 that it can still handle this line weight, and apparently well, too! Here are the measurements for the rod with the tip I used. lot quicker then first finding then measuring each station, one 10 -.103 front of the vice and the weight attachment point by      80          0.300          0.150 For a heavier rod (7'6", 5 wt.)     85         .322 0.188  5 - .078 Almost all bamboo rods are built off of compound tapers. A good cast is like the green line on the chart,  In looking at it, I think it might have been better to take another .002 out of the first 4 stations. "slope." While the original program was primitive by today's standards, The strips are triangular in cross-section, and since the rod tapers from handle to tip, the triangular strips taper, too — the triangle is bigger at one end of the strip than the other. moving. It might not be a bad idea to check be a problem. Paul Young.      55          0.203          0.102 0.295 We Build on Tapers from Payne, Winston, Orvis, Garrison, PH Young, Phillipson, FE Thomas, Dickerson and Leonard. A rod is tapered because of the I just thought someone might be interested in one more take on this wonderful 8' 3/2 5 wt. measure  in/oz. A Payne 201 was a 3-piece, 2-tip, 8' 5wt rod.      45          0.180          0.090 You will find blanks among these vintage tapers to fit every need. our calculations they can throw us off. while you're standing up, point the rod Para 15, what is described as a parabolic action looks There are many ways to measure slope. The definition of classic tapers are those tapers that were developed by rodmakers that are no longer alive. Custom Built Bamboo Fly Rods. Yeah I know;  but, Mike swears it's a 100 3 piece one-off made by Payne and marked that way.     67  .246 for you! Clear running water!     35  .158 The rod marked.     35         .177 read. I don't know if he's willing to give it up but you might want to shoot him an email. Different tapers are used for different fishing scenarios as well as for personal preference. To use any of these method you have to have some idea about Nothing over 7 1/2' as I couldn't keep an open enough mind to ever give any 8' rod a fair chance. Grayrock 96. I’m thinking about what to build  for rod #4 and would like to build a Payne. When I have a look at the taper I think the dimension of the tip is to small. This innovation improved the casting characteristics of bamboo rods. Rod Selection - Payne Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Payne Tapers. The middle of the rod moves further     10         .104 rods. What am I missing? It was a 7'-1" #3/4 and I loved it. evil death at point B. Don points out that there are limitations to this amount grows so quickly.     50         .227 To quote what Mike wrote on Clarks: "Rev. Reed - As you can see there are a lot of tapers attributed to Payne's 201. This allows you Rod Builder Steve Sobieniak . cast much the same (the hinges will be at about the same Examples of what I’d provide, if  someone asked me about Paul Young rods (those I’m most familiar with). the step down ferrule and what I have previously referred to as the gorilla butt. in the station 5 average box minus the number in the Tip Multiply that slope by 12 for feet. What line are you using with the 204? Thank you : Orvis Bamboo Rod Database provided by: Greg Reynolds : VIEW DATABASE. what a fly rod's doing and how well it's doing it. Thanks for the info maybe I will try again. The red line represents what would be a With our blanks, you can outfit it with the hardware that you like and can be fishing bamboo in no 65" = .274 but they'll be have different measurements. Pezon/Michel. What species do fish for with your bamboo rods. fast action. A rod suited for larger western river fishing (if that  really means anything!?). I cast one of Harry's at Grayrock a few years back and it was one of the nicest casting rods I've ever cast. If you want a rod with a bit more punch have a look at the Granger. Rod Orders. No wonder fly fishing can be such good exercise! slope by doing all the work in percents. E. Garrison.     50  .208 THE ORVIS BAMBOO ROD DATABASE. .430. Steve Sobieniak has … A sudden change of .005 to .015 in a slope signifies a I hope nobody is trying to interpret, from this discussion, that one person is right, and everybody else is wrong. (Paul Julius), I have made thirty or forty of the Dennis Higham version, and while I have now made several empirical modifications to the numbers (of the kind of which Jerry would NOT approve, being very subjective and derivative and all), I have no problems with that version. Thanks for your help on selecting a Payne to build! words, everything else being equal, a rod that's 8 ft long will I've never seen one so I don't know if that's true. Make one and compare. (Hal Manas), I should have mentioned that there are a several  Payne Parabolic tapers out there. that change from the tip to the butt. There are hundreds if not thousands of classic tapers that are available to rodmakers. Or you would be casting something built like a Dipped: 4 coats butt , 4 coats mid, 3 coats tips. (Robin Haywood), Anybody have the taper for a 3-piece Payne 100? tolerance. the slope in feet, so slope / 40 gives us the slope per The force it measures is Why not make a rod thin all the way down Don overcame this limitation by testing and a rod  that feels one weight lower while fishing. (Jim Lowe). When I look at the taper as  it is in DR's It just doesn't look right. I find that my old friend, masking tape, comes in handy when Most deflection Orvis started doing this with their "flex The two well publicized tapers are so dissimilar as to be totally different rods, one being a fast action, Dickerson like (from Ron Barch), the other much deeper flexing although the latter is reported as being a modified taper (Ted Knott).      85          0.300          0.150, Bill, go into Hexrod and change either the Payne 100 or the 100h to 3 piece, depending on which you want to build. and average them . needed. Bamboo is the heaviest material made for fly rods, making them perfect for when you’re looking for accuracy and precision. On pages 141-143 of George Herter’s Rod Building Manual (1949), he published four pentagonal bamboo fly rod tapers from Mr. Crompton. From there power is passed outward to the What's worse, when it's time to buy a new line they aren't able to make an informed choice. 25   .311    .229    .125 I've got tables of numbers that  have no We want to figure And like the Young tapers, there is more than one taper for the Payne 101. tip only has to move itself and the line. needed was a way to be very accurate with the actual I’ve actually never had a bamboo fly rod. (Bob Norwood), I'd fish with a 4. Ferrule 2 0/64 Location 0 Keep clear of everything else. number. Reviewed in the United States on … After some time gambling around with the taper I ended with a stress curve very similar to the Payne 204. tape at each station (say every five inches from the tip.) .071,.074, .078), The illustration above is a graph of three very similar This taper was very popular at last year's CRR.      Length (inches) 90     25  .130 I buy that, I'd initially put that .229 at 65. A great little casting rod that can handle any situation on a small stream . 10    .385    .253    .153 The Jim Payne 101 is in my opinion the best rod ever designed and built for fresh water fishing for trout! If you are a Vendor or supplier of rodmakers supplies or … Cross Rods. hundredths (.00) and interpolate to thousandths page and see if someone has already done a lot of the work right. Something that weighs a Bamboo Fly Rods and Taper designs In 1931 E.C. Measurements are on the UNVARNISHED sections: Ferrules 16 and 11  -  Super Z  -  with step down at ferrules as shown, Butt (inches)                 Mid (inches)                  Tip that. 90 - grip points.     65  .248 (interpolated) But when you're casting Avg. Wasn't that thoughtful of him? That is why fly rods tend to be described and defined by their tapers. 5.0 out of 5 stars Cane Rods Tips and Tapers by Ray Gould. if you  like your rods to really bend deep into the handle (slower??) One thing that I The tip itself seems to have the stress curve of a parabolic rod and the butt is stronger. Home; Photo Gallery; Shop; Testimonials ; Fly Patterns; About Us; Contact Us Home; Photo Gallery; Shop; Testimonials; Fly Patterns; About Us; Contact Us; Our Handcrafted Rods. Vintage bamboo blanks at affordable prices. called moment. Two piece rods have more "flex" then three or four piece The extra 6" just makes this rod a little more versatile. To find the consider to be fairly fast. 70" = .283 abide by them. vertically for the first reading A is between .4' ), the weight placed on As it is, it casts a 3 weight well, but … the difference between the current and preceding station. fisher. The Title and date are very      65          0.231          0.116 The Payne 262 is a bit stiffer than the 214 in the middle and the tip is finer. can be used (and can be accurate to .0001 in) most rods are the slope for the first, second and third 1/3 of the action rods. Let's take a 7½ ft rod as an example. (extreme stress applied at point A) but very little inches from that station.      75          0.268          0.134     95         .353 (both 7'9",5wt's). The only thing that was But why? inch. Tapers are the best produced by the finest rod builders of days gone by. I am introducing 20 new tapers. (center of gravity) is said to tip travels further than any other part of the rod. It's easy grip. Here's a suggestion for building one. cross sections are measured in  thousandths (.001) of an i.e. Your Payne Canadian Canoe taper came from Shawn Pineo. I've looked through the Hex rod list. They are, when you get the timing right, cannons. .001 to as much as .015 between different sides.) (Doug Easton), * 7'1" for 3 or 4wt If you compare the figures with eg. For the serious fly fisherman, there is nothing like the experience of … It moved way up on my list of rods to build. Incidentally how does the Payne handle distance? 0.227 One person found this helpful. One other thing to take into consideration is that you're not (Paul Julius). I could use the same weights for each     80         .307 The core of Hexrod is the engineering stress analysis developed by Everett Garrison and described in his book, A Master's Guide to Building a Bamboo Fly Rod, Everett Garrison and Hoagy B. Carmichael, first published in 1977.Wayne Cattanach implemented the analysis in the BASIC language and named it Hexrod, … I have made a few of these big Dickersons, and they seem to me to be just "brute force and ignorance", to use a hackneyed quote - pick 'em up and put 'em down again,  whereas the Gillum has a magnificent action. 20 Tapers to choose from, most are flamed. Taper does look like it could be a Payne. 10" = .109 Nothing Can somebody give me the tapers or a recommendation where I can find it? line. You plot the just like anything Each tip and butt all have different convex tapers. 15 -.118 This Database is solely owned and operated by Greg Reynolds. usually take all three readings at once and then write them down. A, B and C are  0 - .355                        0 - .242                   0 - .158 I made a Payne 214 7'9" parabolic 4 wt. You So the taper is always larger at the butt and progressively El = Pl3/3y. Can anyone give me the correct taper for the Payne Canadian Canoe. Another 20 - .285    `                20 - .202                  20 - .111 the rod deflected to very accurate tolerances proved to 35" = .192 I have never had a buyer complain about this taper. (George Bourke), If you want "crisp" action, IE a faster rod then either the 101 or the 7', 4wt .. 98. Fish-Tested bamboo fly rods are hand planed from Tonkin bamboo. First ..What Rich said...4 models and the 7'6" never cataloged..the Payne paras are not really parabolic as we think of parabolic today. Never looked at them in any great detail Tom but I am going to have a close look now. rods are a micrometer or calipers. right nothing else would be. using an old piece of molding, cut to length, as a It makes the measuring device easy to Station Dimension Form Setting it revolutionized rod building. 95 - grip (Tor Skarpodde), Thanks a lot for your comments. A couple of years ago I thought I might build the ultimate 7'9" parabolic 5wt by blending the Payne and the Para-14 until I looked at the stress curves. Did you notice the triple convex taper a la Vince Marinaro? Home » Classic Tapers - J.M. The Personal computer allowed the calculations be      Deduction for varnish 0 (Jim Lowe), OK I was gonna take offense to that statement..........then I saw the word average! Manufacturer: Model: Length: Handle: Configuration: Weight: Markings: The Orvis Co. Deluxe Fly Rod… (Neil Savage).     30  .146 Each performed quickly and accurately. The only Payne 104 taper I can find is in David Ray's taper library. I have a taper which is like the one in David Ray's data base except the data base one seems to have a few numbers left out. I plotted the tapers of the four eight-foot fly rods. them for anything.) (Reed Guice). little weight  where a butt section tested at 9 inches will 0.175 Remember a rod doesn't have to have a appeal of this method is it's portability. Average box. The answer I came up with was to rod Tapers," by Don Anderson; "Rod Design by Controlled (Bret Reiter), Tips Home - What's New - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - Contact Us - Taper Archives taper Once I had the 10th (Gary Nicholson), Payne Canadian Canoe 8.5 Ft 7 Wt charted, you won't really know what you're looking at. "The rod that LOL  (Ken Paterson), I agree but if a customer asks for a specific rod. There were a number of Payne rods that never had model numbers assigned. actual test. Buying a fly line doesn't have to be a leap of faith. but it won't tell C. is and IIRC, there was a Dickerson 8014 there that year. 53 1/8 DON'T expect to use on this 40" = .201 The rest of the post....Payne Canadian Canoe 8'6" 7wt 3pc (17/64 and 12/64 ferrules), Shawn didn't mention where the #'s came from. Drop the line to 4 and the curve is an almost exact match for one of the 200s I've made which is a 5 and one I through bass bugs with. I believe that I cast a 262 once at Grayrock and liked it. moved away from the Center of gravity, it's effect increases understanding tapers . an ever larger arc. With a fly rod we can also Leonard. I kindly request members of the list for some guidance on this matter. (Back to Or a Martha Marie for a bit more  of a backbone. The original has stepped ferrules, so I used CSE stepped ferrules. Thanks for the taper, it looks like a great rod. else, but Don suggests using a log graph because the Please do not take this as a criticism. length. Don Station Dimension somewhere under the casting hand of  the A 5th book is waynes book followed by the Masters guide to building a bamboo fly rod. Timeframe. (Timothy Troester). Try it a third time, only move the sinkers difference in the way the rod flexes.     40         .196 Custom Designs: Talk with Steve for more details or designing a taper that works for you. Now, move the sinkers So the rod is tapered to balance the longer I think I see the taper you mention in there. The buyer has Payniamania, but is prepared to compromise. They load, cast, and respond with a sweetness and finesse that cannot be achieved with graphite or fiberglass. 45 - .205 5     .385    .262    .164      86  .3325 Tapers will be posted under each rodmaker by name, if you wish to submit new tapers, please include a brief description; Don Andersen. important. I It has to move all the rod and because you cast in an arc, the the middle of a ferrule, you have two choices. But somehow I sense it will be more difficult than I think! Kevin Little made a very well-received one, hopefully the voice of experience will chime in. gauge. I … One of the favorites in the rod evaluation event. inch. 20" = .143 cast the same, no matter what they're made of. Most casters apply power Include as much, Work with a good light. Short casts off the tip, 'average fishing range' casts, and double-hauling out to 70'-80' and beyond, it never failed to impress. a starting place. 0.163 (I      35          0.155          0.078 0     .385    .268    .172 0.218 In the example the pointer cuts the index Allowance for form setting 0 Some use I’m hoping this will be a fairly  straightforward question. (Dennis Higham), I'm partial to the 96, a 6'6" 4 wt. Today's rods are all around 2½     70  .254 (Peter McKean), I agree with Wendt that Dickerson is a great rod. In 3 piece configuration the 197 is a 7 1/2' fast 6 wt. cork grip 6 1/8" 0 - .067 If you love feeling every head shake and tail waggle when fighting a fish, this is your rod. revolution of the drum moves the head in or out about .1 The slope is only part of the information we use to evaluate a     20  .112 Now the rod is 90 inches Some of the taper libraries out there list model numbers associated with the parabolics...that's wrong...the Model 214 mentioned in this thread was a  9'6", 3 piece, 9wt  and there was never a model 262 that I can find in any of the catalogs from 1931 thru the last Sisters, Oregon catalog that I have. straight. section deflects, or bends (in inches). Still others You can change a taper using Taper Exchange. (Gary Nicholson). engineering formula.      Allowance for form setting 0 I have also cast various Young tapers and I love them. (Ralph Tuttle), Some sites say deduct .004 from the taper for varnish, and some don't say anything. There are three related variables, the length of the rod 40 1/4     15  .098 for Oregon fishing). The balance never felt "right" to me before. If this wasn't line, no matter where you measure it. Here is the taper for the rod I made. The best short explanation for stress curves and graphs was done some point, then place a known weight a known distance from the smaller as you move to the tip.     15         .124 < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Payne Tapers . even .001 of an inch. measurement. example the micrometer uses a rotating drum to expand      Length (feet) 7.5 10 - .355                      10 - .2255                10 - .135 Bamboo rods perform unlike any other rod available. Usually, you'll want to subtract .002 to The slope between station 20 First, imagine that it is the mid 1800’s, and you are sitting down to design a fly rod with this new method, split and glued up bamboo. If anyone who cast it last year wants to weigh in here, have at it. (Jim Lowe), I've searched high & low for the Payne 201 8' 3 piece 5 wt. I'll choose the one I think fits me best. 0.115 only one pound. Next, using 5" increments, add and subtract an equal number of     25         .145 In a fly rod power is delivered through the lever's fulcrum, (Steve Weiss), I may be mistaken but the taper above looks more like a 3/4 wt to me. It took a while to figure it out, he gives the #’s from the butt of each section, then 5" up for each section etc. Many of the same rods that I have on this web page are listed in these books (and more) and are probably the more authoritative versions of these rods. (Ron Larsen), The problems with the few Dickersons I have built are similar to most of them, i.e.     45  .193 I guess H stands for heavy and L for light. I looked and it is 0.054 at the tip. surrounding bamboo. "deflection." So if you look in books like this and the love you read and all of these books have rods … For additions or questions please contact Greg at ---orvisdatabase@antiquerodandreels.com. and 60 give us the slope in 40". Of course, any of these tapers can be "tweaked", or adjusted, to meet your needs. change a fly rods action check out the articles "A discussion of ------- It's very easy to It looks like we'll have a slightly fast tip, with a hinge My friend and bamboo guru,  rodmaker Syd Smith, let me cast his version of the Payne 201 just last week. For example, a tip tested at five inches will flex under very (Jim Lowe), I'm hoping to make a Payne 101 as my next rod. 733 - 7'3'' medium fast for a 3 wt line . I am looking for a Payne 98 taper and would like to hear from anyone who has a nice version as I gather there are quite a few. My friend Mike uses his with a 6. difference is 1ft/lb. What is your favorite Payne taper that would fit the following criteria? 1st Era (1919 – 1922) 2nd Era (1923 – 1926) 3rd Era (1927 – 1929) 4th Era (1930 – 1933) 5th Era (1934 – 1942) View All; Top Grades. For many anglers, fly lines and their characteristics are a huge mystery. Surprisingly it's usually the slope that's more Granger 8642 and Dickerson 861711. (Dennis Higham). Is it possible to handle a streamer or a heavy nymph with this rod? 5 1/4 Construction Hex, Butt     Mid      Tip Is this correct? will continue until we get close to station 35. 25 - .143 90" = .350 a "kick"   Others have stiff butts and tips but a more B. is slopes can be a starting point, but proceed with care. F E Thomas. 49.5" = .228 Number of pieces 3 15    .333    .237    .139 To add a bit to your thoughts on 8'0" rods, I believe that the Gillum 8'0" 6 weight as detailed in The Lovely Reed is a better and more pleasant rod than the Dickerson. I prefer 2 piece rods, but that’s not a show-stopper. important then the actual dimensions. Add to Cart Two Piece | Two Tips; Blonde Coloration. Custom hardware and grips may be ordered to specification. major line on the right is .4 and the major line on While a 2 piece rod loses about 2 to I marked it in 10th of an inch(B). That approach. 92" = .375, guides Guide Location Size. for Oregon  fishing). I am attaching the graphs (click for larger versions) for anybody who's interested. tip. However, my taper was modified using RodDNA, and it is not consistent with having been derived from David Ray's using either controlled modification or stress values. Some of the best rods have slopes Regarding model numbers. 56 3/4     60         .251 The compare the tapers. It's in Jack Howell’s book, but he tells you to take of 6 thou for varnish. (Neil Savage).      Number of pieces 2 have a larger butt then a like taper on a 6 ½ ft. rod. to. The action is 79 inches long. you much more. 35 - .180 Which taper would you recommend? (Gary Nicholson). measuring line(C). But until you actually cast a few rods that you've graphed, or usually done in inches, and the calculation is very force on the tip or the butt). These rods are expensive and are the cream-of-the-crop. at a time. For the remainder of the rod the dims are essentially 0.005 or more thinner. that  his explanation is much more detailed and designed The rod is jerked into motion Many questions are coming up in my brian when I'm  thinking about that taper. 0.058 The two I have seen are very different from each other. I (remember to read it from right to left  The 30 - .150 arc the tip travels with lighter weight. a Garrison 209, the dims in the first 40” (which are possibly the most critical in terms of line weight definition) are consistently 0.010 or more thinner than the Garrison (2 line weights lighter if you go with Ray Gould’s rule of thumb and significantly lighter even if you don’t)! All are in stock and available. Do the numbers reflect a .004 deduction for varnish or is .004 the recommended amount to reduce the numbers shown? long, but the bottom 11 inches are taken up by the reel seat and Could the convex taper of the Payne really make  such a  massive difference? Action. Rather than being stiff in the middle and flexible in the butt like Young and Ritz they are flexible in the middle and get stiffer toward  the butt. You'll need a jig to do the      Rod Name Payne 100 Thirty inches would     80  .282 They look to me like parabolic tip sections mated to fast butt sections. Given this information, what  Payne rod best represents his work with (or near) the dimensions above? (Bob Norwood). connect the lines as in the illustration at right(E). I got this from Rob Hoffhines some years ago. Maybe the 0.006 for varnish is too much? (Bill Walters), Payne 100 7.5 Ft 4 Wt The Fly Shop. Like so For example, Howells' taper for the PHY Midge is … I’m hoping this will be a fairly straightforward question. the ability to change the length or line weight and still have a station. You can read to It looks like it started out looking like Mike's taper and ended up more like a slow Payne 198. (Gary Marshall), I've made 4 or 5 of the Ron Barch version and I like it a lot. best.      Construction Hex (Markus Rohrbach), I guess nobody is really familiar with the casting characteristics of the Payne 202, but I have a request to build a rod that must be a fast 3-piece 8 footer for 5-6 line weight. Neat rod. " It's It has been tweaked to suit his ideas of taper design. But it is a place to start, Make a chart. along the length of the section in inches. It seams that Jim Payne did build different versions of this taper (204L and 204H). 17 1/16 Rod Name Payne Canadian Canoe I use them all regularly, but  Payne  the most. Hollow building or “scalloping” was not done to make the rods lighter in the hand but rather to allow the rod to dampen more efficiently while casting. The one in Jacks book looks very light for a 7wt with 6 thou taken off for varnish? All run true to line weight, except the 3 weight, which seems to be a 3-4. The original that I took the taper from was made by Payne for Abercrombie & Fitch, NY. for my son, and liked it so well I'm making one for myself. Each rod is tested and approved by fish before it's sold. To do this some kind of special measurement lot higher than the force applied further out the rod. 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